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The writer reveals an alternate Man of Steel ending. A propos of nothing much at all, I had forgotten that all the Phantom Zone villains sport outfits from Liza Minnelli's wardrobe. Superman II is the 1980 sequel to Superman: The Movie . No. Look around the Internet these days and you'll hear a buzz about the new Superman reboot movie Man of Steel, and aside from some pretty divisive opinion about whether the movie is good or not (read our review), one of the biggest topics of discussion is the climatic battle between Superman (Henry Cavill) and General Zod (Michael Shannon), in which Superman is faced with the choice of watching Zod vaporize an innocent family or killing the ruthless general - ultimately (and controversially) choosing to do the latter. The baddies spinning off into the Phantom Zone. In Superman II (1980) does Superman kill General Zod according to A: your memory, B: I'm pretty sure they ended up back in the Phantom Zone, if I remember the film (which I last saw aged 7) correctly. – Valorum May 11 '20 at 13:47. Lois punches Ursa, who also falls into the pit. Earth-2 had its own version of Kal-El/Clark Kent who served as Superman, but he was believed to have died in the planet's first war with Apokolips. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Join 6,545 readers in helping fund MetaFilter. Some have said that Zod and company were killed in Superman II after the loss of their powers. Superman has to kill Zod after realizing he will not stop in his revenge. Superman had stripped the 3 super villians of there power and then threw Zod into a pit below. Basically General Zod was going to try to zap the family and Superman told him to stop, Zod didn't. - Page 3. Newdivide1701. Lv 7. According to Cavill "The killing of Zod would have led to a wonderful reason why Superman never kills. Then, in the extended version that came out a while later, they are clearly shown to be arrested. General Zod is a fictional supervillain appearing in comic books published by DC Comics, commonly in association with Superman.The character, who first appeared in Adventure Comics #283 (April 1961), was created by Robert Bernstein and initially designed by George Papp. But that wasn’t how the movie was going to end. Phantom Zod. On Comics and Graphic Novels, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Seven years later: Did Superman take the right decision killing Zod?" Superman killed Zod in Man Of Steel. Same with Non and Ursa. Superman caused his death. Lv 7. Should he have handed Zod, Ursa and Non over to the authorities, as he did with Lex Luthor and Otis at the end of Superman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_II#Later_releases. Kryponians are just as mortal as we are in a way. I never got that; not back in the day when I saw it in the theater or repeated viewings through the years. Did he have any option not to kill Zod, and then save the family? Did Superman kill General Zod in Superman 2? He then proceeds to murder General Zod! Did he, like, arrest him or something? He is a power-hungry Kryptonian criminal who has powers comparable to Superman himself but uses them in a malicious manner. Superman took the right decision snapping his neck, it was refreshing to see the hero put a definite end compared to the idiots that doesnt have the balls to end their villains, looking at you rich boy, the fact Superman had the will to take the hard decision in his first day was great, he knew Zod was uncontrollable and put down the rabid dog. My memory is of the baddies spinning off into the Phantom Zone. Zod posed no threat, as his powers were gone, but Superman throws him against a wall and lets him fall, presumably to his death. Zod was going to incinerate an innocent family with his heat vision. Beats me. Collider and other sites have been critical of such reasoning - and even Mark Waid, writer of one of the comic books that influenced Man of Steel's story, stated on his blog Thrillbent that he was NOT happy with that moment of the film: Superman wins by killing Zod. Being an idiot, Non falls down himself. When General Zod points his heat vision at an innocent family, Superman snaps Zod’s neck to stop him. I'm pretty sure Superman kills Zod. The writer reveals an alternate Man of Steel ending. Except that neither Zod, nor Superman is human. He did kill in Superman II. ... Superman did not kill his enemies. Zod slides into a chasm below. (Zak Snyder and Dave Goyer both felt the need to justify this by saying that killing Zod is where Superman will get his no killing rule from, as if everyone needs to get one kill in, just to make up their minds. I though they were just banished to the aether or something. aladdinwa. I liked it as a kid, but then I also thought Superman 3 was funny as kid. In "Superman" Vol. Some have said that Zod and company were killed in Superman II after the loss of their powers. The problem with the comic book was, I always thought, not that Superman did it as it was the way he did it because he was judge, jury, and executioner right there. Looking back, as an adult, those films just don’t hold up anymore. General Dru-Zod is a general in the Kryptonian Army. I'm sick of this "Superman doesn't kill" argument being used to bitch about the end of MOS, you don't like the movie that's fine but find a different As the title implies, Earth 2 was set in an alternate universe separate from the New 52's Prime-Earth. although I admit it might be implied. Still, the dramatic ending of the single time reversal is intact and serves as the ultimate climactic punctuation of both Superman and Superman II. Apparently Superman fought Zod and defeated him in the past; Winn said Superman killed Zod, contradicting earlier statements that Superman didn't kill, but this was later (fortunately) retconned away when it was established that the Legion fought Zod in the 31st century. I never got that; not back in the day when I saw it in the theater or repeated viewings through the years. 7 years ago. (My fifth-grade math teacher gave me a high-five when I wore my Superman "S" t-shirt to school the week Supes II came out, the last week of classes.). We saw him torture a man by crushing the bones in his hand and tossing him into a pit. Strangely enough it was not always this way. How come nobody complains about how Superman kills General Zod in Superman II, ... Now before anybody says that he didn’t actually kill Zod in this movie, I would like to remind you that Superman takes away Zod, Ursa’s, and Non’s powers and throws them into a freezing pit. The movie ends with the now famous scene of Superman, Lois, Lex Luthor, Zod and his minions all having a Mexican standoff in the Fortress of Solitude. https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/man-steel-writer-explains- As Zod groans in agony, the Man of Steel lifts him off the ground and throws the villain across the chamber into a wall. Superman killed Zod in Man Of Steel. By Dylan Matthews. By Dylan Matthews. I'm pretty sure Superman kills Zod. Zod is a minor antagonist in Superman, and the main antagonist in Superman II.He is one of Superman's arch-enemies and was made famous in the live-action movie Superman II where his speech alone entered icon status. The 'Later Releases' bit of the wikipedia page discusses the various endings. Huh, I thought there was a shot at the end of the three of them back inside that pane of glass thingie rotating through space. It's hard to say given this film's weird history. See, the whole script didn’t make any sense. It was a big departure for Superman as he is known for being a superhero that doesn’t kill people. Having served his term, he currently serves once more in New Krypton's military, of which he is the head. I don't agree with this guy telling me that he thinks I'm trolling him which I'm not of giving me 9 other options. When Superman kills Zod in the movie, it’s because there are human beings there who are in immediate danger. As you know, director Zack Snyder took a lot of heat from a lot of fans regarding the decision to have Superman kill Zod. After depowering Zod, Ursa and Non in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II, the Man of Steel could've just carted the trio off to the proper authorities, right? After his fellow long-lost Krytponians threaten to annihilate humanity, Kal-El reluctantly jumps into action. in the new 52 superman has killed a kryptonian dragon that was already dying on his own,and some of the darkseid's soldiers ( they were probably cyborg). Since his time at Screen Rant, Kofi has continued to work in entertainment journalism - joining comicbook.com as Sr. Editor of Original Content. "Superman killed Zod," Winn objected, before connecting that it was likely the Kryptonian general was somehow revived. You're waving it off as though the fact they disappear into the mist cancels the fact that we just saw Superman intentionally torture Zod and throw him into it. Yes, Superman crushes Zod's hand and yes, Ursa is smacked in the face by Lois and Non just falls; but what I thought happened was that they were returned to the Phantom Zone. Kofi recognized potential in Screen Rant as an outlet capable of bridging die-hard film fans and casual moviegoers, quickly rising to the position of E-i-C, and working with the rest of the editorial team, transformed Screen Rant from a hobby blog into one of the leading fan sites on the Internet. Killing Zod in Man of Steel … I have been aruging with this guy about the ending of Man of Steel for the past half hour rather or not that Superman had options or not. Clark feels killing is bad. Without super powers, do you seriously think that Zod could have survived the impact against the wall, or the freezing cold at the bottom of the pit? If you've (somehow) never seen it, watch the climax of Superman II for yourself: Kofi Outlaw (former Editor-in-Chief, 2008 - 2016) has a B.A. Anyone claiming it does is either a psychopath or didn’t watch the same version. Not only did Superman kill Zod in the Christopher Reeve version, but he's killed Zod in the comics for a grand total of three times that I know of. Directed by Richard Lester. If the "Superman kills Zod" reading is correct, that would imply that Lois Lane kills Ursa after cracking wise. The only survivors included Lex Luthor, a small rebellion force and that universe’s Supergirl. All posts copyright their original authors. Superman craftily uses his de-powering chamber in reverse, restoring his own powers and stripping the bad guys of theirs. Ask MetaFilter is where thousands of life's little questions are answered. Then Non tries to fly at Superman, but finds himself unable to do so; he, too, falls into the chasm below] First, at least in Superman 2, Superman beat Zod and the others by outsmarting them, not just beating them to death. Did he project him back into the phantom zone? Val-Zod was created by Tom Taylor, Nicola Scott, and Robson Rocha, Val-Zod first appeared in 2014's Earth 2 #19. However, Zod had ambitions to take over the planet Krypton and had little respect for the Kryptonian Council, and as such was banished to the Phantom Zone. Ask MetaFilter is a question and answer site that covers nearly any question on earth, where members help each other solve problems. On Comics and Graphic Novels, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Seven years later: Did Superman take the right decision killing Zod?" HOWEVER, the ending of this cut is Superman doing his turning back time by flying rapidly around the earth bit (which Donner intended for II, not I) and in doing so, Zod and his compatriots end up back in their mirror prison in the Phantom Zone. But that wasn’t how the movie was going to end. Not, he never kills just because his dad said so one day. Really, that Fortress of Solitude needs some serious baby-gates put up. A one-stop shop for all things video games. It looked like to me that General Zod wasn't giving Superman any option, so Superman broke his neck and killed him. Menu That crazy guy was me, and I barely even remember doing that, I had to be told afterward that I’d done that, that’s how caught up in betrayal I felt. For this reason he survived the planet's destruction. And, Superman did … Not quite in line with the traditional take on Superman's ethical code, but I doubt that. Superman of Earth-Two is an alternate version of the fictional superhero Superman, who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics.The character was introduced after DC Comics created Earth-Two, a parallel world that was retroactively established as the home of characters whose adventures had been published in the Golden Age of comic books. June 21, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. UTC. Relevance. And Lois punches Ursa into the pit. Non leaps to attack Superman and falls in the same pit. Then Non tries to fly at Superman, but finds himself unable to do so; he, too, falls into the chasm below] And as this moment was building, as Zod was out of control and Superman was (for the first time since the fishing boat 90 minutes ago) struggling to actually save innocent victims instead of casually catching them in mid-plummet, some crazy guy in front of us was muttering “Don’t do it…don’t do it…DON’T DO IT…” and then Superman snapped Zod’s neck and that guy stood up and said in a very loud voice, “THAT’S IT, YOU LOST ME, I’M OUT,” and his girlfriend had to literally pull him back into his seat and keep him from walking out and that crazy guy was me. In Superman II, the explosion of a hydrogen bomb launched into space by Superman hits the Phantom Zone by chance, destroying it and releasing Zod, Ursa, and Non, who went to Earth. in writing and film studies. Early 1940 Superman was much less discriminating in his handling of mobsters and other reprobates, threatening them with great physical injury unless they complied. When the fuck has Superman NOT killed General Zod? 6 Answers. ...But I ask again: Does NOBODY remember Superman II? Superman craftily uses his de-powering chamber in reverse, restoring his own powers and stripping the bad guys of theirs. though he was going to kill. Richard Donner's sequel to Superman: The Movie told a darker tale that centered on Superman wanting giving up his powers in exchange for a normal life with Lois Lane - until evil Kryptonians General Zod, his lieutenant, Ursa, and brute enforcer Non all start using their newfound super powers to wreak havoc on Earth (sound familiar?). Please show me the relevant statue that says that a US citizen can't kill a space alien. During an interview with Collider, Man of Steel writer David S. Goyer explained that Superman being forced to kill Zod was meant to show that … But as Faora pointed out Zod and his followers don't place the same value on life as Superman did. FIRST, Superman used his device to take away ALL his powers making him as weak as a normal human. Answer Save. To this day, though, Man of Steel is often seen as living in the shadow of a Superman rule broken: do not kill. Superman returned to battle Zod, but refused to kill him. See, the whole script didn’t make any sense. Superman IS Clark Kent (and visa versa). There was absolutely no evidence Zod was killed… There wasn't a choice involved into the matter, it was just how he was built. Since this has gotten some fairly interesting discussion on the MoS Appreciation Thread I thought I'd start a new thread and give my own humble insight and opinion. When the sun turned yellow again, the now vulnerable Zod still struck Superman with all his power, and was killed. By snapping his neck. Kal had rigged … - Page 3. And now there's another version that Richard Donner cut, and I haven't seen that one, but I know it has yet another ending. To be fair, Waid does go on to give a more level-headed explanation, saying he thinks the film failed to establish Superman's concern with ordinary people to with enough emphasis to "earn" that moment of snapping Zod's neck, though he did acknowledge the character's anguish in the aftermath (that now infamous scream). Man of Steel writer David Goyer recently revealed that there was an alternate ending to the film in which Superman did not kill Zod. The story continues the adventures of the orphan Kryptonian, Kal-El, who has become the world's greatest hero. Superman killing Zod isn’t the only major shift to the Superman story in that movie. Wouldn't the fall into dry ice have killed them? June 21, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. UTC . Superman also understood that Zod was stronger, well-trained, and a natural warrior and that he would never be able to stop him in a fair fight, so Superman did the only thing he knew he could do, kill Zod and end the senseless killing countless innocent lives. Superman's lack of concern for collateral damage has been something MANY people have criticized Man of Steel for - so Waid (who knows the character pret-ty well) does have a point, perhaps. Beats me. If an attack dog bite me, I w Sooo... in that version, it goes from the scene don'tjumplarry described from the script to the last bit TWinbrook8 mentioned. 8 years ago. There's been vocal outrage on the part of some fans who feel betrayed by the notion of a  Superman who kills - but is the outrage legitimate? [Superman grips Zod's hand... and crushes it! Add a comment | 1. Did Superman kill Zod in Superman II? Not least is the moment that Superman kills the movie's invading villain, General Zod, by snapping his neck. None of them posed a threat to Superman and he could have easily saved them and had them incarcerated. The YouTube clip is what I remember from theaters in 1981. One of the things that always bothered me growing up was that Superman defeats a de-powered Zod in the final few minutes of the movie and throws him down a pit. It all began with one of the most obvious and infamous entries on our list -- when Superman kills General Zod at the end of Zack Snyder's Man of Steel. And regarding Superman 2, there’s a LOT of things I don’t like about that movie. Yes but Zod was different, he was designed specifically to be that way. As Zod groans in agony, the Man of Steel lifts him off the ground and throws the villain across the chamber into a wall. Contact and follow Kofi on Twitter @kofioutlaw. In recent days we've heard from Man of Steel director Zack Snyder and writer David S. Goyer, who revealed to Empire that in an original version of the script, Superman returns Zod to the Phantom Zone prison where he belongs - until Snyder convinced Goyer and producer/story writer Chris Nolan that Zod's ending should be more permanent: ....David, Chris and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him. Superman kills Zod, here, and obviously that caused quite the furore because Superman, typically, does not kill. Superman IS Clark Kent (and visa versa). Clark was raised as a human. Man of Steel writer David S. Goyer reveals why the iconic villain General Zod was killed in the 2013 Superman movie starring Henry Cavill. I kept telling him this guy Superman had no option to kill Zod to save the family, and he keeps telling me Superman had up to 9 options to save the family without killing Zod. Not quite in line with the traditional take on Superman's ethical code, but I doubt that beating up a guy in a truck stop also wouldn't be considered proper Supermanian morality either. "Superman killed Zod," Winn objected, before connecting that it was likely the Kryptonian general was somehow revived. Well, all these years later, director Zack Snyder has … The scene outraged some Superman fans, who felt that Superman should never kill … I had always assumed Superman had killed Zod (after first crushing his hand) since he threw what was now a mortal-human across a room into an wall where he then fell down into what I supposed was ice-cold arctic water. What exactly did Superman do to Zod in Superman II? From the scene you linked it looks like a typical Hollywood cop-out where they really wanted the bad guys to be killed, but wanted plausible deniability if they got taken to task for it or if they wanted to bring the characters back in a later installment. Clark was raised as a human. The movie ends with the now famous scene of Superman, Lois, Lex Luthor, Zod and his minions all having a Mexican standoff in the Fortress of Solitude. There is no clearcut evidence in Superman II that anyone died at the end of the theatrical release of the film. The new Earth-2 Superman's aged foster parents John and Martha Kent both survive to the present unlike that of the current mainstream Superman. - Page 3. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Superman had stripped the 3 super villians of there power and then threw Zod into a pit below. Superman also understood that Zod was stronger, well-trained, and a natural warrior and that he would never be able to stop him in a fair fight, so Superman did the only thing he knew he could do, kill Zod and end the senseless killing countless innocent lives. Snapping his neck. General Zod is a fictional supervillain appearing in comic books published by DC Comics, commonly in association with Superman.The character, who first appeared in Adventure Comics #283 (April 1961), was created by Robert Bernstein and initially designed by George Papp. They discovered that they had the exact same powers … Clark feels killing is bad. The two have a knock-down fight across Metropolis, causing massive amounts of destruction to the city before Superman finally stops Zod by snapping his neck and killing him. We did, as a hallucination experienced by Superman in the season 2 finale (played by Mark Gibbon). He then proceeds to murder General Zod! So, remember when Superman killed Zod in Man of Steel and it seemed to cause quite an uproar with fans believing that it wasn’t what Superman would do. posted by MShades at 2:28 AM on June 23, 2013 [] He made the decision himself because of an impossible scenario, to which he then said, ‘I don't care if it's impossible again, I'm gonna find a way to make it possible in the impossible.’". Supes pleaded with him to stop. The ‘Why?’ of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he’s going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do. In the original version it does seem like they were killed. And after the neck-snapping, even though I stuck it out, I didn’t give a damn about the rest of the movie.